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	<title>Comments on: cut the fruit from the vine, and the whole world falls away</title>
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		<title>By: obsidian blade</title>
		<link>http://theavantguardian.org/2009/11/03/cut-the-fruit-from-the-vine-and-the-whole-world-falls-away/comment-page-1/#comment-56</link>
		<dc:creator>obsidian blade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 05 Nov 2009 21:13:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Very interesting material, Ari, thanks... might have to take a look at Badiou myself.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Very interesting material, Ari, thanks&#8230; might have to take a look at Badiou myself.</p>
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		<title>By: ari g</title>
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		<dc:creator>ari g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 04 Nov 2009 17:48:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>One more thing.  I&#039;ve been reading Alain Badiou and found the following passage pretty relevant.  In talking about the resurrection of Christ, he says, &quot;death is not a destiny, but a choice, as is shown by the fact that we can be offered, through the subtraction of death, the choice of life.  And thus, strictly speaking, there is no being-toward-death; there is only ever a path-of-death entering into the divided composition of every new subject&quot; (from Saint Paul).  For Badiou, every subject is divided into flesh and spirit.  It is from the power of death that resurrection is possible.  the resurrection does not imply a renunciation of the flesh, but a recognition of the power and the necessity of the flesh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One more thing.  I&#8217;ve been reading Alain Badiou and found the following passage pretty relevant.  In talking about the resurrection of Christ, he says, &#8220;death is not a destiny, but a choice, as is shown by the fact that we can be offered, through the subtraction of death, the choice of life.  And thus, strictly speaking, there is no being-toward-death; there is only ever a path-of-death entering into the divided composition of every new subject&#8221; (from Saint Paul).  For Badiou, every subject is divided into flesh and spirit.  It is from the power of death that resurrection is possible.  the resurrection does not imply a renunciation of the flesh, but a recognition of the power and the necessity of the flesh.</p>
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		<title>By: obsidian blade</title>
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		<dc:creator>obsidian blade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:25:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, and Ari, thanks for the link to Malachai - wasn&#039;t aware of him previously! (Which for me only adds to the tragically futile sense of his gesture, really.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, and Ari, thanks for the link to Malachai &#8211; wasn&#8217;t aware of him previously! (Which for me only adds to the tragically futile sense of his gesture, really.)</p>
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		<title>By: obsidian blade</title>
		<link>http://theavantguardian.org/2009/11/03/cut-the-fruit-from-the-vine-and-the-whole-world-falls-away/comment-page-1/#comment-39</link>
		<dc:creator>obsidian blade</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 20:22:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Thanks for your thoughtful comments, gentlemen! 

True, with regard to Mishima&#039;s timely (?) demise. Poor judgment (based almost certainly on sentimentality) fouled the clarity he was trying to achieve, and I think that lends some weight to the necessity to make sure one is thinking &quot;above the head&quot; as it were, that state of mind wherein one makes the perfect chess move and isn&#039;t consciously certain why. 

As to leaving a mess for someone else, I think that will be unavoidable in the sense that you&#039;re rather forcibly breaking others&#039; attachment to oneself, through an act with an certain taboo attached to it. In that sense there&#039;s a karmic &quot;stain&quot; left behind, which isn&#039;t the ideal, and perhaps it&#039;s that &quot;stain&quot; that we&#039;re still dealing with, with regard to the death of Jesus and the rise of his numerous purported followers, some of more or less demonic constitution, who are legion.

My damned individualistic idealism prompts me to look at taking oneself out on one&#039;s own terms as a sort of large-scale version of &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_fluctuation&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;quantum fluctuation&lt;/a&gt;, where one&#039;s death corrects the temporary energetic imbalance created by one&#039;s birth, without leaving a trace behind and without thereby disrupting the equilibrium of the universe... but then my blessed cynicism comes in and points out that one &lt;i&gt;can&#039;t&lt;/i&gt; disrupt the universal equilibrium - because it is a dance, according to Newton&#039;s third law of motion (to every action let there be an equal and opposite reaction). 

So yes, as long as one made a difference during one&#039;s life there will always be a mess to clean up, which is the catch-22 of the &quot;perfect death.&quot; Hopefully, however, one&#039;s closest friends and family would be well-enough acquainted with one&#039;s thinking and essence to know that consciously dying is just as much a cause for joy as it is for sadness.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks for your thoughtful comments, gentlemen! </p>
<p>True, with regard to Mishima&#8217;s timely (?) demise. Poor judgment (based almost certainly on sentimentality) fouled the clarity he was trying to achieve, and I think that lends some weight to the necessity to make sure one is thinking &#8220;above the head&#8221; as it were, that state of mind wherein one makes the perfect chess move and isn&#8217;t consciously certain why. </p>
<p>As to leaving a mess for someone else, I think that will be unavoidable in the sense that you&#8217;re rather forcibly breaking others&#8217; attachment to oneself, through an act with an certain taboo attached to it. In that sense there&#8217;s a karmic &#8220;stain&#8221; left behind, which isn&#8217;t the ideal, and perhaps it&#8217;s that &#8220;stain&#8221; that we&#8217;re still dealing with, with regard to the death of Jesus and the rise of his numerous purported followers, some of more or less demonic constitution, who are legion.</p>
<p>My damned individualistic idealism prompts me to look at taking oneself out on one&#8217;s own terms as a sort of large-scale version of <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_fluctuation" rel="nofollow">quantum fluctuation</a>, where one&#8217;s death corrects the temporary energetic imbalance created by one&#8217;s birth, without leaving a trace behind and without thereby disrupting the equilibrium of the universe&#8230; but then my blessed cynicism comes in and points out that one <i>can&#8217;t</i> disrupt the universal equilibrium &#8211; because it is a dance, according to Newton&#8217;s third law of motion (to every action let there be an equal and opposite reaction). </p>
<p>So yes, as long as one made a difference during one&#8217;s life there will always be a mess to clean up, which is the catch-22 of the &#8220;perfect death.&#8221; Hopefully, however, one&#8217;s closest friends and family would be well-enough acquainted with one&#8217;s thinking and essence to know that consciously dying is just as much a cause for joy as it is for sadness.</p>
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		<title>By: ari g</title>
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		<dc:creator>ari g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In case it wasn&#039;t clear, I just wanted to say that I second the flava.  Awesome piece!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In case it wasn&#8217;t clear, I just wanted to say that I second the flava.  Awesome piece!</p>
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		<title>By: chicken flava</title>
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		<dc:creator>chicken flava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:34:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That being said, awesome piece.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That being said, awesome piece.</p>
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		<title>By: chicken flava</title>
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		<dc:creator>chicken flava</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 17:33:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The only hitch in the elaborate performance art is the gruesome failed beheading by his lover and second. Mishima failed to remember that typically in Medieval Japan the second (the man who actually ends the live of of the person committing the seppuku via beheading) was a well trained warrior. Three hacks by the guy couldn&#039;t take his dome off. Must&#039;ve been fucking disgusting and kind of sad all at once. Not the graceful exit he really wanted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The only hitch in the elaborate performance art is the gruesome failed beheading by his lover and second. Mishima failed to remember that typically in Medieval Japan the second (the man who actually ends the live of of the person committing the seppuku via beheading) was a well trained warrior. Three hacks by the guy couldn&#8217;t take his dome off. Must&#8217;ve been fucking disgusting and kind of sad all at once. Not the graceful exit he really wanted.</p>
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		<title>By: ari g</title>
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		<dc:creator>ari g</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 03 Nov 2009 16:12:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think that deliberate death as a good thing, i.e. knowing when to die, is not always a positive thing (even though my writing might seem contrary: http://theavantguardian.org/2009/10/28/grunge-is-dead-a-treatise-on-grunge-performance/).  You cite two instances where deliberate personal suicide proves positive for the individual, but they are only so when publicly recognized.  After all, did you hear malachi? (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malachi_Ritscher)  I get what you&#039;re after, and for the most part I agree with it, but were I to self-immolate when I thought my time was done, I would simply leave a mess for someone else to clean up.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think that deliberate death as a good thing, i.e. knowing when to die, is not always a positive thing (even though my writing might seem contrary: <a href="http://theavantguardian.org/2009/10/28/grunge-is-dead-a-treatise-on-grunge-performance/" rel="nofollow">http://theavantguardian.org/2009/10/28/grunge-is-dead-a-treatise-on-grunge-performance/</a>).  You cite two instances where deliberate personal suicide proves positive for the individual, but they are only so when publicly recognized.  After all, did you hear malachi? (<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malachi_Ritscher" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Malachi_Ritscher</a>)  I get what you&#8217;re after, and for the most part I agree with it, but were I to self-immolate when I thought my time was done, I would simply leave a mess for someone else to clean up.</p>
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